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Welcome, WikiConference North America 17 Note-takers(s)! Thank you so much for being an important part of WikiConference<br />
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Preferred number of note-takers: 2(min) & 3(max). We do not encourage everyone to multi-task during the sessions<br />
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SESSION OVERVIEW<br />
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Title: Building MediaWiki software to enforce Page & Topic bans<br />
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Day & Time: Thursday, August 10, 2017 @ 4 PM<br />
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Hyperlinks:<br />
Workshop description: https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Submissions:2017/Building_MediaWiki_software_to_enforce_Page_%26_Topic_bans<br />
Page-blocking project: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative/Page_or_topic_blocking<br />
Wikipedia banning policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy<br />
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Speakers: Trevor Bolliger & Sydney Poore<br />
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Notetakers:<br />
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Peter Meyer<br />
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SESSION SUMMARY<br />
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* The problem of people violating blocks is said to be hard to quantify<br />
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions<br />
* Look at actual bans that are being handed down<br />
* These users aren't vandals, they are disruptive - pushing an agenda or pushing the limits of their ban<br />
* Could ORES (revision scoring) help implement a topic ban? It could record that the editor seemed to be violating the ban.<br />
* Topic bans — A 'medicine' ban could affect /any/ article — e.g. adding medicinal uses to a plant article.<br />
* How about CAPTCHA or a delay on save? Could those help slow down a distruptive editor? Comment: this is not what CAPTCHA has been used for, but it would be implementable.<br />
* Productizing this would take a policy change on ENWP — right now banned users are allowed to revert vandalism or BLP violations<br />
* Potential other feature: Avoiding repeated warnings. When User:A warns User:B, the system asks (or automatically checks!) if User:B has already been warned about the same thing.<br />
* Is this a form of curation? Or preventing curation?<br />
* "interaction bans don't work"<br />
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions — 5 topic bans in the last week, 1 site ban<br />
* "Hard security" vs. "soft security". - http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/HardSecurity <br />
* Tattling on a user who violated a ban perpetuates the drama — how do we avoid this?<br />
* How would this work for people creating new pages? We want to avoid adding more work to NPP<br />
** Banned users with Autopatrol? One view expressed: users with any ban should lose autopatrol. Another view expressed: that some are highly productive but have some specific topic ban so should keep autopatrol effect. Autopatrol is not a disciplinary issue, it's just to help reduce the load on new-page-patrollers.<br />
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Discussion Questions<br />
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Should there be a publicly viewable list of users blocked from a specific article? Would this create a “hall of shame” that would motivate trolls? Or should this list be only viewable by admins?<br />
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Advocate for transparency to allow some folks for some checks and balances.<br />
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Three strategies have been proposed. Which of these three do you believe will be the most effective method? <br />
1) Page Blocks should prohibit the user from editing the page. <br />
- Requires policy change<br />
2) Page Blocks should warn the user when they attempt to edit the page, but allow them to do so. <br />
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+ Maybe a combination of 2 + 3?<br />
3) Page Blocks should allow a user to violate their Page Ban, but should notify an admin.<br />
- Where do you notify them? Individually? Who is responsible?<br />
+ Maybe a combination of 2 + 3?<br />
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Topic Bans are intentionally vague. How should Topic Blocks work?<br />
1) Topic Blocks should prohibit a user from editing a page that is a member of a certain category (E.g. Category:American_actors)<br />
2) Topic Blocks should prohibit a user from editing a page that is a member of a certain Wiki Project.<br />
3) Topic Blocks should not be built because they are intentionally vague.<br />
4) Something else?<br />
ORES?<br />
AI?<br />
The Singularity?<br />
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Should page-blocked users be able to edit the corresponding talk pages and subpages?</div>TBolliger