https://wikiconference.org/index.php?title=Submissions:2021/Editing_seems_too_hard;_let%27s_fix_that&feed=atom&action=historySubmissions:2021/Editing seems too hard; let's fix that - Revision history2024-03-29T06:52:04ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.13https://wikiconference.org/index.php?title=Submissions:2021/Editing_seems_too_hard;_let%27s_fix_that&diff=18187&oldid=prevEnterprisey: formatting2021-10-09T20:06:38Z<p>formatting</p>
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</table>Enterpriseyhttps://wikiconference.org/index.php?title=Submissions:2021/Editing_seems_too_hard;_let%27s_fix_that&diff=18186&oldid=prevEnterprisey: link to slides2021-10-09T20:06:20Z<p>link to slides</p>
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</table>Enterpriseyhttps://wikiconference.org/index.php?title=Submissions:2021/Editing_seems_too_hard;_let%27s_fix_that&diff=17730&oldid=prevEconterms: Accepted2021-09-30T01:25:36Z<p>Accepted</p>
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<td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'm thinking we allow an edit to be split into different parts, which can then be done by different people at different times. That will lower the "minimum energy" required to contribute something. I think one way to split an edit is into four parts: get a source, select a fact from that source, find a suitable location in the article, and make the actual edit using that fact and location. They don't even have to be done in that order: perhaps someone could pick a location in the article first, and say "something needs to be done here, but I don't have the source for it". Not all edits add a fact to an article, but the same framework could also be used for edits that correct some information.</div></td>
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<td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We already have the edit request system and talk pages, but those are even more difficult to learn for new contributors and are only used to "compose" edits by expert editors.</div></td>
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<td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Abuse and moderation would be a potential challenge. However, I designed the four parts to be easy to moderate: the sources can be restricted (only [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">w:</ins>en:WP:RSP]] green sources, only sources used on [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">w:</ins>en:WP:GA|GA]]s or [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">w:</ins>en:WP:FA|FA]]s, etc); the facts must be copied and pasted from the sources; the location must be an actual selected position in the article; and we might only allow registered editors to synthesize those into the real edit.</div></td>
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</table>Enterpriseyhttps://wikiconference.org/index.php?title=Submissions:2021/Editing_seems_too_hard;_let%27s_fix_that&diff=17639&oldid=prevEnterprisey: add more2021-09-24T07:06:35Z<p>add more</p>
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</table>Enterpriseyhttps://wikiconference.org/index.php?title=Submissions:2021/Editing_seems_too_hard;_let%27s_fix_that&diff=17638&oldid=prevEnterprisey: Created page with "{{WCNA 2021 Session Submission |theme=Depth & Breadth for Newer Editors, Tech & Tools |type=Round Table |abstract=I recently tried getting some people I know into editing Wiki..."2021-09-24T07:05:53Z<p>Created page with "{{WCNA 2021 Session Submission |theme=Depth & Breadth for Newer Editors, Tech & Tools |type=Round Table |abstract=I recently tried getting some people I know into editing Wiki..."</p>
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|abstract=I recently tried getting some people I know into editing Wikipedia. They found the process intimidating and difficult. That's pretty bad! I thought of a way to fix that.<br />
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I'm thinking we allow an edit to be split into different parts, which can then be done by different people at different times. That will lower the "minimum energy" required to contribute something. I think one way to split an edit is into four parts: get a source, select a fact from that source, find a suitable location in the article, and make the actual edit using that fact and location. They don't even have to be done in that order: perhaps someone could pick a location in the article first, and say "something needs to be done here, but I don't have the source for it". Not all edits add a fact to an article, but the same framework could also be used for edits that correct some information.<br />
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There would be some way to view a list of the current "partial edits" that have been proposed by other people. (Name: "Edit Workshop"?) You could contribute a missing part to any of them, or propose an alternative (for example, using a fact located elsewhere in the same source). You could also make comments on any of the partial edits. Perhaps this could all be integrated somehow with the existing talk page; that might be difficult. If a partial edit results in a regular talk page section, experienced editors would have an easier time giving feedback. With the [[mw:Talk pages project/Replying|Reply Tool]] and [[mw:Talk pages project/Notifications|topic subscriptions]] features coming soon, new contributors would have an easier time following discussions in wikitext form.<br />
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Abuse and moderation would be a potential challenge. However, I designed the four parts to be easy to moderate: the sources can be restricted (only [[en:WP:RSP]] green sources, only sources used on [[en:WP:GA|GA]]s or [[en:WP:FA|FA]]s, etc); the facts must be copied and pasted from the sources; the location must be an actual selected position in the article; and we might only allow registered editors to synthesize those into the real edit.<br />
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We already have the edit request system and talk pages, but those are even more difficult to learn for new contributors and are only used to "compose" edits by expert editors.<br />
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I propose a round-table session where we talk about if this is a good idea or not, or what improvements we could make to it. I would really like to hear some feedback. I would like to eventually propose that we hold trials of this idea on some highly-viewed articles that have persistent problems with people not making "good" edit requests.<br />
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